Sunday, February 15, 2009

Re: Thought 2.15.09

yes its insane what a good phrase i just cant seem to stop this time

A "slip" is sometimes defined as "Sobriety Losing Its Priority." It's when we stop doing the things we did to get sober. It's a return to the insane thinking that somehow this time when we drink it will be different. It is only possible when we lose the gut-level knowledge and certainty that we are powerless over alcohol and that our lives are unmanageable when we use alcohol.

Thought:

How many times have we heard people picking up another desire chip describe how in the period before their "slip" they had stopped going to meetings, stopped working with others, stopped calling their sponsors, and stopped reading their Big Book? How are we doing in terms of meetings, calling our sponsors, working with others and reading the Big Book? What are we doing today to maintain a fit spiritual condition? "Slip" may sound accidental, but isn't it really premeditated?

Thought 2.15.09

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Affirmation 2/15/09

Today, I will be happy and grateful for what I have.

Aren't we always trying to convince ourselves that we will be happy when: I get that new car… I am in relationship… I retire… get a new job… whatever. Happiness occurs when we are grateful for what we have. It is a journey, not a destination.

A Prayer

God, there are so many decisions to make and I don't seem to know what
is the best for now or for the future. You said if we lack wisdom, all
we need to do ask you. I really need you to pour wisdom into my mind
today. Thank you!

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Thursday, February 12, 2009

Re: New Sobriety (Relationships)

I'm an old timer, really old timer. Things haven't changed too much because I was told the same thing and actually tried really, really, really hard to comply. However, I needed a few rides to meetings at different times. So two guys in the same car would pick me up. As long as there was someone else in the car it was allowed. But eventually it did pose a problem because my friends (1 of them) and I began to connect emotionally. He or I would say something at a meeting and then we'd discuss it on the ride home. He was 1 1/2 years sober when we met, I was 3 months. And so it began... Then soon I had problems with one of my children (I was a divoroced mom) and he said he'd try to help out and one thing INNOCENTLY grew into another. Well - let's cut to the chase here.... we'll be married 28 years this May. We still make meetings together. But want to know what?... people actually took bets infront of us that we wouldn't last even one year.

I must add though because it is a good practice not to mingle early on in program, that he and I both had had a solid and deep relationship ALREADY established with each owns High Power. We often say how our marriage is so strong BECAUSE we spent two years being good friends first.

We're both sober over 3 decades each.

Listen to your sponsor he only wants the best for you.

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Country <richardperry@southernwine.com> wrote:

I have been told to stay out of a relationship with a woman for the
first year. What is wrong with dropping a girl off at work after our
meeting with the same amount of sobriety 90 days like me. My motives
are of kindness and I feel like a brother to her as she thinks of me
as her sister. My sponsor was very upset and doesn't approve of this.
Where does it say in the Big Book that this is not good. I have
nothing to offer a woman in early sobriety. We are the talk of the
Alano Club and we both feel uncomfortable. I feel like i'm in high
school again. Peolpe assuming makes them and me look like a A**. The
bottom line is my sobriety comes first. By the way I know my sponsor
is looking out for me. The old timers in AA can see something I can't
see i guess. CONFUSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: KUDZU

What's to believe? We live in a free country here and it's up to the
individual to make his life choices; providing they are legal. The
kudzu worked for me. Doesn't matter, I was just throwing it out there
for topic conversation. Isn't that what the group is about; sharing
life experiences trying to stay sober?

Coldpony, yeah that's funny about the valium. I think there are just
trying to get their copay and get us out of there! Oh well, We've got
God on our side.

Sonya

On Feb 12, 9:49 am, عبد العزيز السناب <mmnnmm2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi sonya I donot believe that
>
> but thanks
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Re: Affirmation 2/12/09

Hi BIll, thanks for sharing. Those words are what I needed right now. Love it, THANKS! God Bless Jackie

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:39 PM, alberta silva <silva.alberta@gmail.com> wrote:

I LOVE THAT!!! THANK YOU FOR SHARING...

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 4:16 AM, mikestephen65@gmail.com <mikestephen65@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Bill how true these words are.
Mike@India.

On Feb 12, 2:30 pm, Bill Karpus <bkar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Today, I have complete self-acceptance.
> *
>
> There is always another mountain to climb, a new lesson to learn, another
> bridge to build, another change to make. Life is a process of creating one
> thing after another. Release negative old images and let go of fear filled
> future encounters. Realize that you are a special human being, just like
> everyone else, and enjoy the feeling of serenity that comes with total
> self-acceptance.

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Re: Emmet Fox -- who is he?

While we are on the subject of influences, a very significant one was Sam Shoemaker:

Sam Shoemaker

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Sam Shoemaker, DD, STD (1893-1963), was an Episcopal priest who was instrumental in the Oxford Group and founding principles of Alcoholics Anonymous. Dr. Sam Moor Shoemaker was the rector of the Calvary Church in New York City, which was the United States headquarters of the Oxford Group. Bill Wilson attended Oxford Group meetings at the Calvary Church and Sam was instrumental in assisting Bill Wilson with the writing of the book Alcoholics Anonymous (nickname: The Big Book). Bill acknowledged this linkage when he wrote in the book, A.A. Comes of Age (page 39):

In 1917 Sam Shoemaker had been sent to China to start a branch of the YMCA and to teach at the Princeton-in-china Program. There, in 1918, feeling discouraged , he first met Frank Buchman who told him of the four absolutes, honesty, purity and unselfishness and love. Later Shoemaker would speak of the meeting as a major influence for the start of his ministry, that being the time when he decided to let go of self and let God guide his life ^[1]

Bill Wilson, in 1955, would later give credit to Sam Shoemaker whom he referred to as a co-founder of AA.

" It was from Sam Shoemaker, that we aborbed most of the Twelve Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous, steps that express the heart of AA's way of life. Sam Shoemaker had given us the concrete knowledge of what we could do about it, he passed on the spiritual keys by which we were liberated. The early AA got its ideas of self-examintation, acknowledgement of character defects, restitution for harm done, and working with others straight from the Oxford Group and directly from Sam Shoemaker, their former leader in America, and from nowhere else."

Rev. Shoemaker wrote over thirty books, at least half of which were circulating before A.A.'s 12 Steps were first published in the Big Book in 1939. Shoemaker's books were circulated in New York, Akron, and the Oxford Group.^[2]

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[edit] Books by Shoemaker

A Young Man's View of the Ministry, 1923
Beginning Your Ministry, 1963
By the Power of God, 1954
Calvary Church Yesterday and Today, 1936
Children of the Second Birth, 1927
Christ and This Crisis, 1943
Christ's Words from the Cross, 1933
Confident Faith, 1932
Extraordinary Living for Ordinary Men, 1965
Freedom and Faith, 1949
God's Control, 1939
How to Become a Christian, 1953
How You Can Find Happiness, 1947
How You Can Help Other People, 1946
If I Be Lifted Up, 1931 (with jacket)
Living Your Life Today, 1947
National Awakening, 1936
One Boy's Influence, 1925
Realizing Religion, 1921
Religion That Works, 1928
Revive Thy Church, 1948
Sam Shoemaker at His Best, 1964
Steps of a Modern Disciple, 1972
The Church Alive, 1950
The Church Can Save the World, 1938
The Conversion of the Church, 1932
The Experiment of Faith, 1957
The Gospel According to You, 1934
They're on the Way, 1951
Twice-Born Ministers, 1929
Under New Management, 1966
With the Holy Spirit and with Fire, 1960

[edit] Contribution

Shoemaker's contributions and service to Alcoholics Anonymous and as a minister of the Anglican Communion and Episcopal Church of America have had a worldwide affect. The philosophy that Shoemaker codified, in conjunction with Bill Wilson, is used in almost every country around the world to treat alcoholism.

[edit] See also

Alcoholics Anonymous

[edit] References

^ Bill Pittman, "AA , the way it began",p.117 1988,Glen Abbey Books, IBSN,
^ AA History website, accessed [[2007-06-03]

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Shoemaker Biography

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM, HB Gill <hb.gill@gmail.com> wrote:

Even less well known...perhaps because he was liberally "borrowed from" in the writing of "Alcoholics Anonymous" is Ernest Holmes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Holmes

All of these proceed from a tradition that can be traced back into history...Ralph Waldo Emerson provided much of the original thought in this vein.

Keep coming back,

Hal

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Connell <jconmcg@gmail.com> wrote:

It occurred to me that some of you may not know who Emmet Fox is, and
how important he was to our founders. Here's a very good overview on
Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmet_Fox

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Re: Emmet Fox -- who is he?

Even less well known...perhaps because he was liberally "borrowed from" in the writing of "Alcoholics Anonymous" is Ernest Holmes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Holmes

All of these proceed from a tradition that can be traced back into history...Ralph Waldo Emerson provided much of the original thought in this vein.

Keep coming back,

Hal

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It occurred to me that some of you may not know who Emmet Fox is, and
how important he was to our founders. Here's a very good overview on
Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmet_Fox

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Re: KUDZU

Oh! That reminds me! A doctor I once saw told me "alcoholism is the result of a deprivation of Valium in the organism."
When I stopped laughing I realized he was offended: He meant it! He really believed Valium was the natural substance missing in the alcoholic!
Goes without saying I never saw him again, although nowadays I think he might have been trying to defend his own substance dependence...
Figure it! Alcoholism the result of withdrawal from Valium! What a hoot!

That said, I did take kudzu extract, on the advise of my sponsor, when I was several months sober (but before I had started working the steps) on account of cravings because of my—then—inability to handle a huge life transition. Of course, an alcoholic will crave his destroying power—as opposed to his Higher Power—any time he needs the latter.
I took the extract for a while, then I changed sponsor & started working the steps, and I'm still here, one day-at-a-time, having a great life with You and all of you.
Thank you for sharing, Sonya, I get a lot out of your words. Keep coming back.

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Sonya <sonyafehr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Yes, nothing can replace AA, and I no longer need the kudzu for the
withdrawal, but it sure helped in the beginning, and the bonus was it
was all natural. I am still taking it because of all the other
healing things in it, but not so much for the alcohol cravings. They
have pretty much dissapated. Doctors want to give you valuim,
librium, antidepressants, and a various other assortment of mind
altering, addictive drugs. No thanks to that with my already
addictive personality. I may be a slow learner, but I do get it
eventually. (smile)

Sonya

On Feb 12, 8:15 am, "mikestephe...@gmail.com"

<mikestephe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sonya,
> Interesting.In india we hav thousands of herbs I gota chk it out.but
> remember ONCE AN ALCOHOLIC ALWAYS AN ALCOHOLIC so I beleive that the
> AA prog works for me.I am grateful to the fellowship and all of you
> out here taking it one day at a time.I m now 13 months sober and
> alothough there are hiccups in the way but I take it a day at a
> time.God bless all of you.
> Mike@India.
>
> On Feb 12, 12:04 am, Sonya <sonyaf...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hello all,
>
> > I just wanted to put this our there for the newbies, (such as
> > myself). I did some research and found an herb called KUDZU that is
> > supposed to reduce the physical craving for alcohol and help your
> > liver. I have been taking it for almost two weeks and I have to
> > admit, it has made a difference. Of course, I still am involved in
> > all the AA stuff, but this has helped me with my cravings here in the
> > beginning. Do the research and see what you think. You can buy it
> > at
> > any health or vitamin store.
>
> > I love being sober!
>

> > Sonya- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Emmet Fox -- who is he?

It occurred to me that some of you may not know who Emmet Fox is, and
how important he was to our founders. Here's a very good overview on
Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmet_Fox
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Re: KUDZU

Hi sonya I donot believe that

but thanks

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Re: Anonymous

I agree, and I certainly respect anyone's wishes to be anonymous.
That is their business, and I also respect the AA guidelines. I just
was thinking, when I first decided to go to an AA meeting, I was
afraid someone I knew might see me. Now I am proud that I made the
choice to better my life, just like going to the gym.

Sonya

On Feb 12, 5:00 am, ljc1963 <loricrawfor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> When I purchased and secured my 2nd drunk driving charge my hubby
> suggested I check myself into counselling cuz the Judge was going to
> order it anyway. It took me 2 weeks to make that call for an
> appointment.. I was so scarred.
>
> The Counsellor there kept suggesting I get to an AA meeting. I kept
> forgetting about it. My excuse ... Im from a small town, what if I
> see somebody I know ? Her reply ... Oh, okay. So, its alright if
> somebody see's you falling off a barstool or see's your name in the
> local paper for dui charges then right ?
>
> I have sadly discovered that it is ( or seems to be ) more acceptable
> to be seen walking, crawling, or even stumbling in or out of a bar
> then it is to be noticed attending an AA meeting.
>
> I am not ashamed or embarrassed anymore. Nor do I run around shouting
> that Im a member of Alcoholics Anonymous. I believe in our traditions
> and think the 12th tradition is of the utmost importance.
> I am anonymous when I want to be and carry the message when I need
> to.
>
> On Feb 11, 9:50 pm, Sonya <sonyaf...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Isn't it funny how we are so embarrassed of going to AA to heal
> > ourselves, but we are totoally comfortable with showing our ingnorant
> > drunkedness to anyone around? Crazy, huh? Myself, I am proud that I
> > made the choice to change my life.
>
> > Sonya- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Re: Thought 2.12.09

Thanks Bill, I agree with you.

It reminds me of what my first sponsor always said if I complained
about what someone said at a meeting. "We are all powers of example."
My current sponsor says that some of us reach a certain point and then
stop growing. Personally, I want as much recovery and spiritual growth
as I can achieve in this lifetime. This will require continual work on
the steps and seeking in the realm of spirituality.
Best wishes

On Feb 12, 4:31 am, Bill Karpus <bkar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Someone once said in a meeting that, "When I came in, they told me to just
> keeping coming back. And if I worked the steps it would be rewarding to
> watch me grow, and if I didn't it would just be fun to watch me."
>
> *Thought: *
> **
> Are we rewarding for others to watch us as we grow? Or are we still as
> miserable as the day we came in? Could there really be a relation between
> working the steps and feeling better? We are all examples, but are we
> examples of how to do it or not to do it?
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Re: KUDZU

Yes, nothing can replace AA, and I no longer need the kudzu for the
withdrawal, but it sure helped in the beginning, and the bonus was it
was all natural. I am still taking it because of all the other
healing things in it, but not so much for the alcohol cravings. They
have pretty much dissapated. Doctors want to give you valuim,
librium, antidepressants, and a various other assortment of mind
altering, addictive drugs. No thanks to that with my already
addictive personality. I may be a slow learner, but I do get it
eventually. (smile)

Sonya

On Feb 12, 8:15 am, "mikestephe...@gmail.com"
<mikestephe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sonya,
> Interesting.In india we hav thousands of herbs I gota chk it out.but
> remember ONCE AN ALCOHOLIC ALWAYS AN ALCOHOLIC so I beleive that the
> AA prog works for me.I am grateful to the fellowship and all of you
> out here taking it one day at a time.I m now 13 months sober and
> alothough there are hiccups in the way but I take it a day at a
> time.God bless all of you.
> Mike@India.
>
> On Feb 12, 12:04 am, Sonya <sonyaf...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hello all,
>
> > I just wanted to put this our there for the newbies, (such as
> > myself). I did some research and found an herb called KUDZU that is
> > supposed to reduce the physical craving for alcohol and help your
> > liver. I have been taking it for almost two weeks and I have to
> > admit, it has made a difference. Of course, I still am involved in
> > all the AA stuff, but this has helped me with my cravings here in the
> > beginning. Do the research and see what you think. You can buy it
> > at
> > any health or vitamin store.
>
> > I love being sober!
>
> > Sonya- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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[epistemology 10267] Re: Cancer can be postponed by science

--- On Wed, 2/11/09, chazwin <chazwyman@yahoo.com> wrote:

To any of those who expressed good wishes...

Up date on tonsil cancer - well I've been through the shit-storm:
completed by 33 sessions of radiotherapy, and 6 weeks of consecutive
chemotherapy. I've come out the other end having lost 30lbs, with no
saliva; a persistent sore throat, especially when I eat; I have to
carry artificial saliva and water with me at all times; I
wake 2-3
times per night with a dry mouth; I can't drink wine, enjoy chocolate
or yogurt, and some other foods taste weird.
But on the other hand I have lost my thrift: I treated myself to a
newish silver 3 series BMW convertible, and tend not to worry when
buying books CDs DVDs, and taking Cath out to dinner, theatre etc.
2 Weeks ago we traveled through the snow to get a CT/PT scan (the one
in Brighton was out of order). The wait has been torturous. Today I
attended clinic to hear the results. I am clear!
Best case scenario I am clear of cancer and can expect to live up to
20 years before the radiation makes its own cancer, or until I get a
new primary. Worst case scenario: I still have cancer but it is either
microscopic, or any tumor is under 1cm in diameter which means that I
can stop obsessing and worrying about my immanent demise - at least
for the foreseeable future.
So there is no other way to
describe this than: great news.

And I can postponed by epitaph based on Boswell's account of Hume's
last day.

Chaz
==============
Same words, but a different situation. Or, maybe, not
all that different.
Having been through the shit-storm of the Ghetto
Uprising, I traveled through 1 m high sewers half full
of shit knowing that most of exits were guarded by the
SS. The wait has been torturous. I emerged expecting
to be shot, but the exit was clear.
I think, I know how you felt.
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Re: Affirmation 2/12/09

I LOVE THAT!!! THANK YOU FOR SHARING...

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 4:16 AM, mikestephen65@gmail.com <mikestephen65@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Bill how true these words are.
Mike@India.

On Feb 12, 2:30 pm, Bill Karpus <bkar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Today, I have complete self-acceptance.
> *
>
> There is always another mountain to climb, a new lesson to learn, another
> bridge to build, another change to make. Life is a process of creating one
> thing after another. Release negative old images and let go of fear filled
> future encounters. Realize that you are a special human being, just like
> everyone else, and enjoy the feeling of serenity that comes with total
> self-acceptance.

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HAVE FAITH and TRUST GOD!!!!!!!

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Re: recovery song

nice song thanks for sharing it. I would love to fill my ipod with
more positive songs.
Your song Made my ipod!
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Re: Short Prayer............

Hi Mike...

Where are you in India? One of my homegroup members is leaving tomorrow to come over there...mainly to do some service work, hopefully to help reduce the stigma over alcoholism among the female population.

She'll be working in Mumbai.

Hal

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:18 AM, mikestephen65@gmail.com <mikestephen65@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the post.

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> Great prayer. My hopes are often so clouded with fear and self-centeredness
> that I don't know what to pray for, so I make it short and sweet: "Thy will,
> not mine, be done."
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Bill Karpus <bkar...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Thanks for the post.

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> that I don't know what to pray for, so I make it short and sweet: "Thy will,
> not mine, be done."
>
>
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Thanks Bill how true these words are.
Mike@India.

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> *
>
> There is always another mountain to climb, a new lesson to learn, another
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> thing after another. Release negative old images and let go of fear filled
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> everyone else, and enjoy the feeling of serenity that comes with total
> self-acceptance.
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Re: KUDZU

Hi Sonya,
Interesting.In india we hav thousands of herbs I gota chk it out.but
remember ONCE AN ALCOHOLIC ALWAYS AN ALCOHOLIC so I beleive that the
AA prog works for me.I am grateful to the fellowship and all of you
out here taking it one day at a time.I m now 13 months sober and
alothough there are hiccups in the way but I take it a day at a
time.God bless all of you.
Mike@India.

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> Hello all,
>
> I just wanted to put this our there for the newbies, (such as
> myself). I did some research and found an herb called KUDZU that is
> supposed to reduce the physical craving for alcohol and help your
> liver. I have been taking it for almost two weeks and I have to
> admit, it has made a difference. Of course, I still am involved in
> all the AA stuff, but this has helped me with my cravings here in the
> beginning. Do the research and see what you think. You can buy it
> at
> any health or vitamin store.
>
> I love being sober!
>
> Sonya
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[epistemology 10266] Re: Cancer can be postponed by science

HELLO CHAZ

WHAT A WONDERFUL NEWS!

YOU MADE MY DAY HAPPIER

ENJOY

Let's start any idiot thread, like why God does or does not exist or
anything alike

All important things are not things of course

my very best wishes to you out there

Carlos

On 11 fev, 17:39, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> To any of those who expressed good wishes...
>
> Up date on tonsil cancer - well I've been through the shit-storm:
> completed by 33 sessions of radiotherapy, and 6 weeks of consecutive
> chemotherapy. I've come out the other end having lost 30lbs, with no
> saliva; a persistent sore throat, especially when I eat; I have to
> carry artificial saliva and water with me at all times; I wake 2-3
> times per night with a dry mouth; I can't drink wine, enjoy chocolate
> or yogurt, and some other foods taste weird.
> But on the other hand I have lost my thrift: I treated myself to a
> newish silver 3 series BMW convertible, and tend not to worry when
> buying books CDs DVDs, and taking Cath out to dinner, theatre etc.
> 2 Weeks ago we traveled through the snow to get a CT/PT scan (the one
> in Brighton was out of order). The wait has been torturous. Today I
> attended clinic to hear the results. I am clear!
> Best case scenario I am clear of cancer and can expect to live up to
> 20 years before the radiation makes its own cancer, or until I get a
> new primary. Worst case scenario: I still have cancer but it is either
> microscopic, or any tumor is under 1cm in diameter which means that I
> can stop obsessing and worrying about my immanent demise - at least
> for the foreseeable future.
> So there is no other way to describe this than: great news.
>
> And I can postponed by epitaph based on Boswell's account of Hume's
> last day.
>
> Chaz
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Great prayer. My hopes are often so clouded with fear and self-centeredness that I don't know what to pray for, so I make it short and sweet: "Thy will, not mine, be done."

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Bill Karpus <bkarpus@gmail.com> wrote:

Bless us all with what we need.

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Daily Reflection 2/12/09

The Root of our Troubles

Selfishness---self-centeredness! That, we think, is the root of our
troubles
Alcoholics Anonymous P 62

How amazing the revelation that the world, and everyone in it, can get
along just fine iwth or without me. What a relief to know that
people, places and things will be perfectly ok without my control and
direction. And how rodlessly wonderful to come to belive that a power
greater than me exists separate and apart from myself. I believe that
the feeling of separation I experience between me and God will one day
vanish. In the meantime, faith must serve as the pathway to the
center of life.
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Re: KUDZU

I first heard about an 'extract' of kudzu root being used by the
Chinese to stop alcohol cravings; I think it was a short thing in the
Science section of the NY Times, more than 10 years ago. (I shared
with my home group that I didn't know if it worked, but if I had to
hazzard a guess as to how it worked, maybe the prescription was to dig
the roots out -they go down 10-20 feet- and by that time you'd have no
cravings!).

If it works, keep doing what you're doing. There is obviously
something wrong, chemically, with us alcoholics, so if it helps you
may have found an aid to recovery. AA does not claim to have all the
answers, nor the only answer.

One thing I have noticed, any time scientists or doctors found what
they thought was an aid to help alcoholics stop drinking: they still
felt that joining AA (that is, working the program) was the most
important thing.

On Feb 11, 10:16 pm, Sonya <sonyaf...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I have read about it alot of places other than wikepedia. It seems to
> be harmless, with many healing uses. According to what I read it has
> been used for many many years. I just thought this was a place to
> share and get opinions on everything relating to alcoholism. Some of
> you got kind of defensive; I certainly did not mean to upset anyone.
> Just wanted to discuss it. Maybe my Higher Power grew the kudzu and
> guided me to the knowledge of it to help me. Hmmmm...... Anyway,
> just foood for thought. AA is stilll the basis of my sobriety.
>
> Sonya
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Re: Anonymous

When I purchased and secured my 2nd drunk driving charge my hubby
suggested I check myself into counselling cuz the Judge was going to
order it anyway. It took me 2 weeks to make that call for an
appointment.. I was so scarred.

The Counsellor there kept suggesting I get to an AA meeting. I kept
forgetting about it. My excuse ... Im from a small town, what if I
see somebody I know ? Her reply ... Oh, okay. So, its alright if
somebody see's you falling off a barstool or see's your name in the
local paper for dui charges then right ?

I have sadly discovered that it is ( or seems to be ) more acceptable
to be seen walking, crawling, or even stumbling in or out of a bar
then it is to be noticed attending an AA meeting.

I am not ashamed or embarrassed anymore. Nor do I run around shouting
that Im a member of Alcoholics Anonymous. I believe in our traditions
and think the 12th tradition is of the utmost importance.
I am anonymous when I want to be and carry the message when I need
to.

On Feb 11, 9:50 pm, Sonya <sonyaf...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Isn't it funny how we are so embarrassed of going to AA to heal
> ourselves, but we are totoally comfortable with showing our ingnorant
> drunkedness to anyone around? Crazy, huh? Myself, I am proud that I
> made the choice to change my life.
>
> Sonya
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Re: KUDZU

Even B W used other meds to reduce the physical effects of comming off
booze and later experimented with other psychoactive subtances ...
whatever works for u.

Take care
Trev

On Feb 12, 3:30 am, Bill Wilsonfriend <bwilsonfri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's the only thing that matters: "AA is still the basis of my sobriety."
> My experience is that people "get defensive" because newcomers often will
> try everything but the AA program to get sober. My first and unsuccessful
> tour of duty had me thinking, "Is there a group of people like this group of
> people that isn't this group of people?" And once I got over the girlfriend
> who had dumped me, I was cured anyway.
>
> Once I decided to come and stay for the right reasons, though, I saw lots of
> people like me come and go with various cures besides the simple AA toolkit
> placed before me....the "marijuana maintenance" cure, the vitamin cure, the
> exercise cure, the love-is-all-I-needed cure, the fill-in-the-blank cure.
> The kudzu cure is a new one for me, but I think people are just looking out
> for you by pointing out that it's a cliche in AA to look for cures besides
> the Steps.
>
> I know this to be true for me: even if I could take a magical pill to get
> rid of my reaction to alcohol altogether, I'd still be stuck with a
> spiritual problem that needed a solution because what I really have can't be
> solved by a substance or lack of substance.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Sonya <sonyaf...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > I have read about it alot of places other than wikepedia. It seems to
> > be harmless, with many healing uses. According to what I read it has
> > been used for many many years. I just thought this was a place to
> > share and get opinions on everything relating to alcoholism. Some of
> > you got kind of defensive; I certainly did not mean to upset anyone.
> > Just wanted to discuss it. Maybe my Higher Power grew the kudzu and
> > guided me to the knowledge of it to help me. Hmmmm...... Anyway,
> > just foood for thought. AA is stilll the basis of my sobriety.
>
> > Sonya
>
> > On Feb 11, 3:51 pm, b ridx <diamondo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > thanks Sonya I was looking up herbel medicines the other day and ran
> > across
> > > that,I was wondering if it worked?
>
> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Sonya <sonyaf...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Hello all,
>
> > > > I just wanted to put this our there for the newbies, (such as
> > > > myself). I did some research and found an herb called KUDZU that is
> > > > supposed to reduce the physical craving for alcohol and help your
> > > > liver. I have been taking it for almost two weeks and I have to
> > > > admit, it has made a difference. Of course, I still am involved in
> > > > all the AA stuff, but this has helped me with my cravings here in the
> > > > beginning. Do the research and see what you think. You can buy it
> > > > at
> > > > any health or vitamin store.
>
> > > > I love being sober!
>
> > > > Sonya- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Thought 2.12.09

Someone once said in a meeting that, "When I came in, they told me to just keeping coming back. And if I worked the steps it would be rewarding to watch me grow, and if I didn't it would just be fun to watch me."

Thought:

Are we rewarding for others to watch us as we grow? Or are we still as miserable as the day we came in? Could there really be a relation between working the steps and feeling better? We are all examples, but are we examples of how to do it or not to do it?

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Affirmation 2/12/09

Today, I have complete self-acceptance.

There is always another mountain to climb, a new lesson to learn, another bridge to build, another change to make. Life is a process of creating one thing after another. Release negative old images and let go of fear filled future encounters. Realize that you are a special human being, just like everyone else, and enjoy the feeling of serenity that comes with total self-acceptance.

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Short Prayer............

Bless us all with what we need.

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Re: Big Book

Well Allan, I think you should take a few minutes of your time and find out that AAWS has different ideas. I am not trying to cause friction, but this distasteful peace of information came to me a few months ago and I too had a hard time believing it.

Again I would encourage you to contact 212-870-3400 & ask for Darlene Smith,

Fax 212-870-3003 or email: smithd@aa.org

I am too a member of the GSO and can not get them to understand. Many others are shocked when they get this verification.

Please call them, Please

Bill

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Me Allan <am4me2@gmail.com> wrote:

It is my understanding as a member of AA that the big book and the 12
steps have been released to public domain.

It is also my understanding that the function of AA is to assist
people in recover.!

It is also my understanding that AA world wide is to provide
assistance to anyone that has the desire to stop drinking.

It is also my understanding that AA Central does not and is not the
final word in AA policy.

Threating people over distributing the Big Book electronically over
the internet violates the long standing policies of AA..

I have 2 suggestions for you publish the book and all litature in
ebook format, so iit is available world wide instantly...

the second suggestion is process the email requesting that I be added
to the loners list .. that email was sent over 6 months ago.

Simply put do your job. don't harass people trying to stay sober..

If you do not want to do your job Quit..

Sincerely
Allan H DOS 12/5/79

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